Phill Schnieder.

This post is a dedication Phil  Schneider !!!

Phill was one of only  three people to survive the 1979 fight between the large Grey Aliens , US intelligence and military at  the Dulce underground base.

Tragically he was found dead in January 1996, due to what was most likely an execution.... in fact that's exactly what it look's like an ( execution  style murder.)

He was found dead in his apartment with a piano wire wrapped around his neck. According to some  sources, it appeared that he  had suffered torture before he was finally killed.  

Seven months prior to his death , Schneider did a lecture on the
forces he had discovered at Dulce.

 IN PHILL'S WORD'S....................................................................

"It is because of the horrendous structure of the Federal Government that I feel directly imperiled not to tell anybody
about this material. However I would like to mention that this talk is going to be broken up into four main topics. Each of
these topics will have some bearing on what you people are involved in, whether you are patriots or not."

"I want you to know that these United States are a beautiful place. I have gone to more than 70 countries and cannot
remember any country that has the beauty, as well as the magnificence of it's people, like these United States."

"To give you an overview of basically what I am, I started off and went through engineering school. Half of my schooling
was in that field and I built up a reputation for being a geological engineer, as well as a structural engineer with both
military and aerospace applications. I have helped build two main bases in the United States that have some significance
as far as what is called the New World Order. The first base is the one at Dulce, New Mexico.

I was involved in 1979 in a fire fight with alien humanoids and I was one of the survivors. I'm probably the only talking
survivor you will ever hear. Two other survivors are under close guard. I am the only one left that knows the detailed files
of the entire operation. Sixty- six secret service agents, FBI, Black Berets and the like, died in that fire fight. I was there."

"Number one, part of what I am going to tell you is going to be very shocking. Part of what I am going to tell you is
probably going to be very unbelievable, though, instead of putting your glasses on, I'm going to ask you to put your â
€˜scepticals' on. But please, feel free to do your own homework. I know the Freedom of Information Act isn't much to
go on, but it's the best we've got. The local law library is a good place to look for Congressional Records. So, if one
continues to do their homework, then one can be standing vigilant in regard to their country."
Deep Underground Military Bases
"I love the country I am living in more than I love my life, but I would not be standing before you now, risking my life, if I
did not believe it so. The first part of this talk is going to concern deep underground military basses and the black budget.
The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product of the United States. The Black
Budget currently consumes $1,25 trillion per year. At least this amount is used in black programmes, like those
concerned with deep underground military bases. Presently, there are 129 deep underground military bases in the United
States."

"They have been building these 129 bases day and night, unceasingly, since the early 1940's. Some of them were built
even earlier than that. These bases are basically large cities underground connected by high-speed magneto-leviton trains
that have speeds up to Mach 2. Several books have been written about this activity. Al Bielek has my only copy of one
of them.

Richard Souder, a Ph-D architect, has risked his life by talking about this. He worked with a number of government
agencies on deep underground military bases. In around where you live in Idaho, there are 11 of them." "The average
depth of these bases is over a mile and they again are basically whole cities underground. They are all between 2.66 and
4.25 cubic miles in size. They have laser drilling machines that can drill a tunnel seven miles long in one day. The Black
Projects sidestep the authority of Congress, which as we know is illegal. Right now, the New World Order is depending
on these bases. If I had known at the time I was working on them, that the NWO was involved, I would not have done
it. I was lied to rather extensively."
Development of Military Technology, Implied German Interest in Hyperspacial Technology, and More
"Basically, as far as technology is concerned, for every calendar year that transpires, military technology increases about
44.5 years. This is why it is easy to understand that back in 1943 they were able to create, through the use of vacuum
tube technology, a ship that could literally disappear from one place and appear in another place. My Father, Otto Oscar
Schneider, fought on both sides of the war. He was originally a U-boat captain, was captured and repatriated in the
United States. He was involved with different kinds of concerns, such as the Abomb, the H-bomb and the Philadelphia
Experiment. He invented a high-speed camera that took pictures of the first atomic tests at Bikini Island on July 12,
1946. I have original photos of that test, the photos show UFO's fleeing the bomb site at a high rate of speed. Bikini
Island at the time was infested with them. Especially under the water and the natives had problems with their animals
being mutilated. At that time, General MacArthur felt that the ext war would be with aliens from other worlds." "Anyway,
my father laid the groundwork with theoreticians about the Philadelphia experiment, as well as other experiments. What
does that have to do with me?

Nothing, other than the fact that he was my father. I don't agree with what he did on the other side, but I think that he had
a lot of guts coming here. He was hated in Germany. There was a $1 million reward, payable in gold, to anyone who
killed him. obviously, they didn't succeed. Anyway back to our topic - deep underground bases."
The Fire Fight at Dulce Base
"Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the Federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of
the United States and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada treaty, which basically made the
agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but
that they had to give details about the people involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided they
wouldn't abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality and the fire fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident. I was
involved in building an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It
goes down seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep.

At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the desert and we were going to link them together and blow
out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, then recommend the
explosive to deal with a particular rock. As I was headed down there , we found ourselves amidst a large cavern that
was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people
down there.

About 40 more came down after this got started and all of them got killed. We had surprised a whole underground base
of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This
could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts."

"Anyway I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and
gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that."

"I didn't get really interested in UFO technology until I started work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two
years recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson, EG&G and other
companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob Lazar's
story? He was a physicist working at Area 51 trying to decipher the propulsion factor in some of these craft".
Schneider' s Worries About Government Factions, Railroad Cars and  Shackle Contracts
"Now, I am very worried about the activity of the Federal Government. They have lied to the public stonewalled senators
and have refused to tell the truth in regard to alien matters. I can go on and on. I can tell you that I am rather disgruntled.
Recently, I knew someone who lived near where I live in Portland, Oregon. He worked at Gunderson Steel Fabrication,
where they make railroad cars. Now, I knew this fellow for the best part of 30 years and he was a quiet type. He came
in to see me on it, one day, excited, he told me "they're building prisoner cars.'

He was nervous. Gunderson.. he said had a contract with the federal Government to build 107,200 full length railroad,
each with 143 pairs of shackles. There are 11 sub-contractors in this giant project. Supposedly, Gunderson got over 2
billion dollars for the contract.

Bethlehem Steel and other steel outfits are involved. He showed me one of the cars in the rail yards in North Portland.
He was right. If you multiply 107,200 times 143 times 11, you come up with about 15, 000, 000. This is probably the
number of people who disagree with the Federal Government. No more can you vote these people out of office. Our
present structure of government is "technocracy''- not democracy, it is a form of feudalism. It has nothing to do with the
republic of the United States. These people are godless and have legislated out prayer in public schools. You can get
fined up to $100.000 and two years in prison for praying in school. I believe we can do better. also believe that the
Federal Government is running the gambit of enslaving the people of the United States. I am not a very good speaker,
but I'll keep shooting my mouth off until somebody puts a bullet in me, because it;s worth it to talk to a group like this
about these atrocities".
Americas Black Programme Contractors
"There are other problems. I have some interesting 1993 figures. There are 29 prototype stealth aircraft presently. The
budget from the US Congress five-year plan for these is $245.6 million.

You couldn't buy the spare parts for these black programmes for that amount So, we've been lied to. The black budget
is roughly $1.3 trillion every two years. A trillion is a thousand billion. A trillion dollars weighs 11 tons. The US Congress
never sees the books involved with this clandestine pot of gold. Contractors of stealth programmes: EG&G,
Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Morrison-Knudson, Wackenhut Security Systems, Boeing Aerospace, Lorimar
Aerospace, Aerospacial in France, Mitsubishi Industries, Ryder Trucks, Bechtel, I G Farben, plus a host of hundreds
more. Is this what we are supposed to be living up to as a freedom-loving people? I don't believe so."
Star Wars and Apparent Alien Threat
"Still, 68% of the military budget is directly or indirectly affected by the black budget. Star Wars relies heavily upon
stealth weaponry. By the way, none of the stealth programme would have been available if we had not taken apart
crashed alien disks. None- of it. Some of you might ask what the "space shuttle" is "shuttling." Large ingots of special
metals that are milled in space and cannot be produced on the surface of the earth. They need the near vacuum of outer
space to produce them. We are not even being told anything close to the truth. I believe our government officials have
sold us down the drain lock , stock and barrel.

Up until several weeks ago, I was employed by the US government with a Ryolite-38 clearance factor - one of the
highest in the world. I believe the Star Wars programme is there to solely to act as a buffer to prevent an alien attack - It
has nothing to do with the "cold war", which was only a toy to garner money from all the people - for what? The whole
lie was planned and executed for the last 75 years."
Stealth Aircraft Technology Use by US Agencies and the United Nations
"Here's another piece of information for you folks. The Drug Enforcement Administration and the ATF rely on stealth
tactical weaponry for as much as 40% of their operations budget. This is in 1993, the figures have gone up considerably
since. The United Nations used American stealth aircraft for over 20% of it's collective world-wide operations from
1990 to 1992, according to the Centre for Strategic Studies and UN Report 3092.11
The Guardians of Stealth and Delta Force Origins of the Bosnia Conflict
"The guardians of Stealth: There are at least three distinct classifications of police that guard our most well-kept secrets.
Number one, the Military Joint Tactical Force(MJTF), sometimes called the Delta Force or Black Berets, is a multi-
national tactical force primarily used to guard the various stealth aircraft worldwide. By the way, there were 172 stealth
aircraft built. Ten crashed, so there were at last count about 162. Bill Clinton signed them away about six weeks ago to
the United Nations. There have been indications that the Delta Force was sent over to Bosnia during the last days of the
Bush administration as a covert sniper force and that they started taking pot shots at each side of the controversy, in
order to actually start the Bosnia conflict that would be used by succeeding administrations for political purposes."
Thoughts on the Bombings in the United States
"I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade Centre bombing. I was hired because the 90 some -
odd varieties of chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right after the blast. The concrete was puddled and
melted. The steel and the rebar was extruded up to six feet longer than it's original length. There is only one weapon that
can do that - a small nuclear weapon. That's a construction-type device. obviously, when they say that it was a nitrate
explosive that did the damage, they're lying 100% folks. The people that they have in custody probably didn't do the
crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as
killing a Jewish rabbi in New York. However, I want to further that with the last explosion in Oklahoma City, they are
saying that it was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that did it."

"First they came out and said it was a 1,000 pound fertiliser bomb. Then it was 1,500. Then 2,000 pounds. Now it's
20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds of fertiliser in a Ryder Truck. Now, I've never mixed explosives, per se. I know
the chemical structure and application of construction explosives. My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out
more than 13 deep underground military bases in the United States.

I worked on the Malta project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can tell you from experience that a nitrate
explosion would not have hardly shattered the windows of the federal building in Oaklahoma City.

It would have killed a few people and knocked part of the facing off the building, but it would never have done that kind
of damage. I believe that I have been lied to and I am not taking it any longer, so I'm telling you that you've been lied to."
The Truth Behind the Republican Contract with America
"I don't perceive at this time that we have too much more than six months of life left in this country, at the present. We are
the laughing stock of the world, because we are being hoodwinked by so many evil people that are running this country. I
think we can do better. I think the people over 45 are seriously worried about their future. I'm going to run some scary
scenarios by you. The Contract with America. It contains the same terminology that Adolph Hitler used to subvert
Germany in 1931. I believe that we can do better. The Contract with America is a last ditch effort by our federal
government to tear away the Constitution and the Bill of Rights."
Some Statistics on the Black Helicopter Presence
"The black helicopters. There are over 64,000 black helicopters in the United states. For every hour that goes by, there
is one more being built. Is this the proper use of our money? What does the federal government need 64,000 tactical
helicopters for, if they are not trying to enslave us? I doubt if the entire military needs 64,000 worldwide. I doubt if all the
world needs that many. There are 157 F-117A stealth aircraft loaded with LIDAR and computer-enhanced imaging
radar.

They can see you walking from room to room when they f ly over your house. They see objects in the house from the air
with a variation limit of 1 inch to 30,000 miles. That's how accurate it is. Now, I worked in the federal government for a
long time and I know exactly how they handle their business."
Government Earthquake Device, AIDS as a Bioweapon Based on Alien Excretions.
"The federal government has now invented an earthquake device. I am a geologist and I know what I am talking about.
With the Kobe earthquake in Japan, there was no pulse-wave as in a normal earthquake. None. In 1989, there was an
earthquake in San Francisco. There was no pulse-wave with that one either. It is a Tesla device that is being used for evil
purposes. The black budget programmes have subverted science as we know it. Look at AIDS, invented by the
National Ordinance Laboratory in Chicago, Illinois in 1972. It was a biological weapon to be used against the people of
the United States. The reason that I know that is that I have seen the documentation by the Office of Strategic Services,
which is by the way still in operation to this day, through the CDC in Atlanta.

They used the glandular excretions of animals humans and alien humanoids to create the virus. These alien humanoids that
the government is hobnobbing with are the worst news. There is absolutely no defence against their germs -none. They
are a biological weapon of terrible consequence. Every alien on the planet needs to be isolated."

"Saddam Hussein killed 3.5 million Kurdish people with a similar biological weapon. Do we, the people of this planet,
deserve this? No, we don't, but we are not doing anything about it. Every moment we waste, we are doing other people
on the planet a disservice."

"Right now I am dying of cancer that I contracted because of my work for the federal government. I might live six
months. I might not. I will tell you one thing. If I keep speaking out like I am, maybe God will give me the life to talk my
head off. Eleven of my best friends in the last 22 years have been murdered. Eight of the murders were called "suicides."
Before I went to talk in Las Vegas, I drove a friend down to Joshua Tree, near 29 Palms. I drove into the mountains in
order to get to Needles, California and was followed by two government E-350 vans with G-14 plates, each with a
couple of occupants, one of which had an Uzi. I knew exactly who they were. I have spoken 19 times and have
probably reached 45,000 people. Well,, I got ahead of them and came to a stop in the middle of the road. They both
went on either side of me and plummeted into a ravine. Is this what it is going to take? I cut up my security card and sent
it back to the government and told them if I was threatened, I have been,that I was going to upload 140,000 pages of
documentation to the Internet about government structure and the whole plan. I have already begun that task. Thank you
very much."
Phil Schneider May 1995

Phil Schneider never got the chance. Dead 7 months later.
Testimony of Phil's Ex-Wife , Cynthia Schneider Drayer
About Phil and the matter concerning His Death


 
  Introduction by Cynthia Drayer

                    My name is Cynthia Drayer, I live in Portland, Oregon, and I am the
 ex-wife of Philip Schneider. Philip and I met in 1986, were married in
 Carson City, Nevada, and had a daughter, Marie, in 1987. We were
 divorced in 1990 and lived in separate residences. Philip lived in an

 apartment complex in Wilsonville, Oregon. On 1/17/1996 I received a
 call that Philip was dead in his apartment and apparently had died up

 to a week before his body was discovered. At the time of the removal
 of his body, his cause of death was by a stroke. When I went to the
 funeral home I had feelings of discomfort about his death. I asked to

 view the body, but due to decomposition, the funeral director
 suggested otherwise. I wanted to be sure, in my own mind,. that Philip
 had not died under "unnatural causes". For the last two years of his
 life, Philip had been on the "lecture tour" throughout the United
 States, talking out about government coverups. You name it, he was
 talking about it: Aliens (treaties and abductions), UFO's, the One
 World Government, Black Budgets, Underground Mountain Bases, CIA
 involvement in civilian murders and drugs, Stealth technology, the
 Philadelphia Experiment, Operation Crossroads (Bikini Island A-bomb
 experiments), Dulce Fire Fight, the Oklahoma bombing, the World Trade

 Center bombing, missing children, Gunderson Freight Cars, the opening
 of concentration camps and Marshal Law/UN involvement, man-made
 viruses and earthquakes, etc.etc.

 A day later, I received a call from the Clackamas County Detectives,
 that the funeral director had found "something" around Philip's neck.

 An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's
 office (in Portland, Oregon) by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that
 Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber cathater hose three
 times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front. There are
 several reasons why I believe that Philip did not commit suicide, but
 was murdered:
 1. There was no suicide note.
   2. Philip always told his friends and relatives, that if he ever
      "committed suicide" you would know that he had been murdered.
   3. From a number of sources, including his taped lectures (video and
      audio), and statements to his friends, and the borrowing of a 9mm
      gun, Philip felt that he and his family were being threatened and
      were in danger because of his lecutres.
   4. All of his lecture materials, alien metals, higher math books,
      photographs of UFO's coming out of the Operation Crossroad
      A-Bomb, notes for his book on the alien agenda, were missing.
      (Everything else in the apartment was still there, including gold
      coins, wallet with hundreds of dollars, jewelry, mineral
      specimens, etc.)
   5. No coroner ever came out to his apartment after his body was
      found (against Oregon Law) - and a police investigation never
      took under consideration that items were missing from his
      apartment - it was considered a suicide, plain and simple
   6. The medical examiner took blood and urine samples at the autopsy

      but REFUSED to analyze them, saying that the county would not
      "waste their money on a suicide". Although I was assured that
      the samples would be kept for 12 months, when I asked for these
      samples to be sent to an independent lab 11 months later they
      were "missing" and presumed "destroyed".
   7. Philip had missing fingers on his left hand, and limited motion
      in his shoulders. I believe that it was physically impossible for
      Philip to have held the rubber hose in his left hand with missing
      fingers and then wrap the hose three times with shoulders that
      had limited motion. In order to end up where his body was, he had
      to sit on the edge of his bed, wrap the hose around his neck,
      slowly and painfully strangle to death, and fallen head first
      into a wheel chair.
   8. Philip was an expert in chemicals and his own medical needs. He
      had multiple pills at hand that could have ended his life quickly
      and painlessly. He also had a 9mm gun that he had borrowed to
      protect himself. Why strangle himself in such an unusual manner?

   9. Philip was very religious, and did not believe in suicide. He had
      intense chronic pain all of the time I knew him. At the time of
      his death, he was on disability, had a housekeeper, and had
      cancer. The operation to help him with his back pain did not
      alleviate the pain and he had brittle bone syndrome
      (osteoperosis). He struggled every day, not to die, but to live.

      He felt that these lectures he gave was making a difference, and
      was looking forward to giving more. In fact he was scheduled for
      another lecture tour that started 1/16/96 in Tampa, Florida. He
      had just found a friend who was going to help him write a book
      about the New World Order, and he was enjoying his time with his
      daughter.
  10. Philip was undergoing "injections" of "Beta Serone" every week in
      an experiment to stop his multiple sclerosis. After his death I
      contacted the only agency that conducted these experiments to
      obtain his medical record (OHSU). They had never heard of him,
      and he was not a part of their experiments. This would suggest
      people unknown were injecting him on a weekly basis with an
      unknown substance. He often times called me after these "shots"
      to tell me that he was too sick for his daughter to come and
      visit. I believe that the shots that Philip thought were being
      given to him to help him back to health, were actually being
      given to him to make him sick.
  11. Philip was seen with an "unknown blonde haired woman" for several
      months before his death. Several times this same individual was
      seen or talked about and her mysterious presence only leads one
      to wonder if she had anything to do with his "suicide".
  12. Several people with psychic abilities have indicated that Philip
      did not commit suicide, but was murdered (some say by 5 people: 4
      men and 1 woman, 4 directly and one by taking out a "contract".

 It is perhaps important to know WHY Philip began lecturing.
 Firstly: His background was as a Structural Engineer. He was an expert
 on explosives and their effects on geologic structures. He worked
 under two social security numbers. Most of his early work in
 underground mountain bases with Morrison-Knudsen was done using the
 wrong social security number. I was later able to prove that he had
 two numbers through the social security office when I applied for his
 daughter's death benefits. He worked for the Army Corps of Engineers
 and U.S. Navy with the same wrong number. Only after he obtained SSI
 in 1981 did his "real" number come into play. He always told me that
 he had a Rhyolitic Clearance and that his father had a Cosmic
 Clearance from his work with NATO. And that is the second reason why
 Philip began lecturing.

 Secondly: On top of his first hand knowledge about underground
 mountain bases and government black budgets, and the alien agend as (he
 was one of the survivors of the Dulce Fire Fight with aliens in New
 Mexico) his father was also involved in government black projects.
 When Philip's father, Captain Oscar Schneider, Medical Doctor, United

 States Navy, died in 1993, Philip discovered documents and photographs
 in his father's basement which proved that Oscar had been involved in
 both the Philadelphia Experiment and Operation Crossroads. Philip now
 had letters written in the 1940's and 1950's showing that Oscar helped
 to isolate the crewmembers of the Philadelphia Experiment and that
 Oscar later autopsied them as they died. He also had photographs of
 UFO's fleeing through mushroom clouds after the A-bomb was dropped
 above the lagoon at Bikini Atoll. This was "Operation Crossroads" and

 Oscar was involved in medical examinations of the animals and humans
 exposed to radiation after the bomb was dropped.

 Thirdly: I believe the main reason why Philip began to lecture was due
 to the "murder" of his friend Ron Rummel. Ron was found in a park in
 Portland in Sept. 1993. The police believed that he had committed
 suicide by shooting himself in the mouth. However, if you read the
 detectives report, there is blow-back blood on Ron's hand, but NO
 BLOW-BACK BLOOD ON THE GUN. The only way this could happen is if Ron
 had wiped the gun off AFTER he had shot himself in the mouth. Ron,
 Philip, and 5 other people had been collaborating on a little magazine
 called "The Alien Digest". It was starting to get a fairly wide
 circulation, when Ron was found in the park. Philip felt that his
 friend had been murdered, and decided that it was time to get
 everything out into the open, so he began "spilling the beans", and
 ripped up his security clearance card.

 Pufori, through Jeroen Wierda, is one of several agencies and
 individuals that have taken up the call for justice in Philip's death.

 My hopes are:

   1. That Philip's death certificate will eventually be amended with
      the true cause of his death: murder.
   2. That the world will come to know the truth about aliens, UFO's,
      the government cover-ups, black budgets, etc. and how they are
      affecting us.
   3. That assets that belong to his only heir, Marie, can be located
      and turned over to her.
   4. That Philip's true work quarters can be proven by people coming
      forward with information about knowing him before 1981, and that
      his daughter can eventually obtain the death benefits she
      deserves.
   5. That no more "murders by suicide" ever occur to another
      individual.

Do your research and stay informed, the government will Lie, Discredit or Kill anyone that opposes them, or attempts to impede the plane's  that  furtherance of there destructive agenda ......


RIP Phill Schnieder...

NASA, UFO's and Aliens.

  
The Space Shuttle Columbia during STS-80 took a crew of five astronauts into a 17 day, 15 hour and 54 minute mission around the earth, the longest flight in the history of this vehicle. During this lengthy flight a very strange event occurred that even had crewman Dr. Story Musgrave unable to explain what he observed from the shuttle windows.

A large disc shaped object appeared below the Columbia. The shuttle was approximately, 190 miles high.

The strange disc seemed to just  appear from out of nowhere, flying through the clouds below and moving  from right to left as the astronauts stared in amazement. The outer rim of the craft appeared to be rotating counter-clockwise. It was very large (compared to common space junk and breakaway ice), approximately 50 to 150 feet in diameter.

Astronaut Dr. Story Musgrave, a Payload Specialist on the STS-80 Mission, was interviewed following the flight. As he viewed a videotape of the incident which showed lightning flashes in the atmosphere, the city lights of Denver, Colorado and other earthbound sights, he stated: "I don't know what it is. Whether it's a washer, debris, ice particles, I don't know. But it's characteristic of the thousands of things which I've seen. What is not so characteristic is it appears to come from no where. You would think that if it's facing the dark side or facing a side towards you which is not reflecting the sun, you would think that you would see something there. It's really impressive." 


During an earlier interview, Dr. Musgrave stated he attempted to communicate with ET life forms during each of his six missions. He actually asked them to take him with them. Now that's an astronaut with a lot of courage. Dr. Musgrave retired after this flight from NASA. Since then he's been spreading his considered opinion that alien life exists. When Musgrave speaks of this, it's no great leap for one to assume he's admitting knowledge of alien life. As the final slide of a "Grey" ET was shown during a recent astronomy presentation by Dr. Musgrave, he made this surprising comment: "These guys are real... I guarantee it!" Dr. Musgrave does in fact know the truth.

Consider that carefully. 


These are world renown scientists making statements almost completely beyond belief. Dr. von Braun and others of his stature have the courage to disclose (sensitive and secret ) information, but obviously the leaders of the USA and the world do not. If billions could find a way of coping with the overwhelming threat of atomic annihilation for half a century, it is reasonable to assume we can cope with the knowledge of these "Other Intelligence's" from the stars. We can cope with the fact they are visiting earth, and have been since the beginning of history. Those still asleep must open their eyes. and except that We Are Not Alone.



Keep watching the sky's and don't blink, or you may miss something astonishing!!  :)

Men In Black

Dose alien life exist?  are we really  alone, in this vast universe? What was that strange light in the sky?  and Is there really a clandestine para- military group monitoring or even communicating with ET's here on earth?

Well chance's are if you've seen something you weren't suppose to, you just may receive a visit from The MIB....

The term Men in Black (MIB),  is used in UFO conspiracy theories to describe men dressed in all  black suits, sometimes with glowing eyes or other strange or sometimes even monstrous features, claiming to be government agents who attempt to harass or threaten UFO witnesses into silence. "Though all MIB are not necessarily dressed in dark suits," writes American writer Jerome Clark. "The term is a generic one, used to refer to any unusual, threatening or strangely behaving individual whose appearance on the scene can be linked in some form or another with a recent UFO sighting.

Though in the much more interesting real-world myth, the MIB usually are the scum of the universe. That is, they're the bad guys, menacing heavies from another world of shifty fixers dispatched by the cover-up-obsessed government.
(It's somewhat  interesting, and even a bit unsettling,  that in Hollywood's version of  the MIB they are portrayed as the "good guys"  even though they're all members of an elite para-military style, secret police organization ....


In the more recent accounts, the MIB are usually connected in one  way or another to UFO activity. 

The most common scenario has them suddenly appearing on the scene after a UFO encounter in order to intimidate witnesses with extremely odd and often threatening behavior. Dressed in ill fitting or out of style black suits, the classic MIB tend to travel in two's or three's (but on some occasions they also travel  alone). Their modes of transport vary. Though they seem to prefer to cruise around in black limousines, but they have also  been known to pilot the occasional van and, in a few recent accounts, have traded up to that popular all purpose conspiracy vehicle, the black helicopter. Yet despite their outré mien, the MIB most often seem to "buy American," usually vintage 1950s Cadillac (nice choice lol) that, oddly enough, often smell brand new......


Witnesses who report MIB sightings often describe "foreign looking" men with exotic features; it's as if they're "from elsewhere." They look "Oriental" or "Indian" and have "deeply tanned" skin, although sometimes their complexions are also  extremely pale. The eyes of the MIB or usually described as slanted or "bulging," as if from a thyroid condition. Their noses and chins are often "point," and their cheekbones are set high on their faces. Though some are tall and thin, with naturally long fingers, others are short or stout. They may or may not have fingernails. 


Stranger still is their reputed behavior, which tends to be disturbingly erratic or downright weird, In one account a MIB who seems to be suffering overexposure to West Virginia's oxygen-rich atmosphere is offered some Jell-O, which he attempts to drink like a beverage. Another MIB is initially perplexed when shown the strange terrestrial implement we know as the ballpoint pen, but then becomes gleefully spastic as he absconds into the street with the prize.


MIBs frequently speak tortured English with outlandish accents; in some accounts they don't move their lips when they communicate, suggesting a telepathy ability, while in other encounters they speak like "machines." When it comes to the MIB, the subtext is always "We're not from around here."


Separating the truly inexplicable MIB encounters from the sundry hoaxes and hearsay is no mean feat. So many of the MIB tales, which first arose during the UFO flaps of the 1950s, apparently began as pranks or visits by officious government agents investigating the hullabaloo over "flying saucers." 


The book that introduced the world to the modern idea of  MIB was a book called... They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers. Penned in 1957 by theatrical booking agent and saucer buff Gray Barker, the book was a minor masterpiece in the basement-hobbyist genre of UFOlogy. Barker, a kind of do it yourself Fox Mulder lol, had been investigating reports of flying saucers and backwoods monsters in his home state of West Virginia when he met Albert K. Bender, a somewhat....um.... eccentric Connecticut man who had recently formed a group ambitiously called the International Flying Saucer Bureau (IFSB). Bender asked Barker to organize a West Virginia chapter and act as the IFSB's "chief investigator." 


But Bender's initial enthusiasm for investigating flying saucers quickly chilled after he was paid a visit by three "men in black suits." At first, Bender hinted that the men were government agents who had threatened him because "I had stumbled upon something that I was not supposed to know."   Later, Bender began to insinuate that the men might have been extraterrestrial in origin. Chronicler Barker, who knew how to promotes the hell out of the horror flicks he booked in local bijous, escalated the suspense like voltage darting up a Jacob's ladder. The balance of They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers was devoted to speculating on the sinister, yet all too opaque, provenance of these dark-suited enforcers.



According to Barker, UFO investigators in Australia and New Zealand had been similarly "shushed up" by intimidating visitors in black suits. One researcher claimed to have received a call from a machinelike voice that stated, "I warn you to stop interfering in matters that do not concern you," and then apparently to make sure the other party had not missed the significance of the robotic elocution, signed off with "I am . . . from another planet." According to Barker, the strange phenomena down under soon escalated to include poltergeist activity and visitations from "invisible entities" lounging in very visible moccasin slippers. 


As Barker was quick to note, Bender and his Commonwealth counterparts hadn't been the first to encounter UFO-connected MIBs. In 1947 a harbor patrolman named Harold A. Dahl had reported one of the earliest modern saucer sightings, near Maury Island, Washington. Dahl and his fifteen-year-old son saw six doughnut-shaped, metallic objects a hundred feet in diameter hovering over Puget Sound. One of the objects, which seemed to be experiencing mechanical difficulty, discharged a load of liquid, metallic slag. The hot debris fell toward Dahl's boat, injuring his son and killing his dog, after which the objects flew away. 


The aftermath of the "Maury Island Affair," as it came to be known, is what interested Barker. According to Dahl, the next morning, a man in a black suit confronted him at a local restaurant, offering an exact account of the previous day'' incident. Then the man threatened Dahl, telling him that harm would befall him and his family if he told anyone about the incident. But Dahl was undeterred, and his story got out. From there, the case becomes even murkier, with Dahl later confessing that the whole scenario had been a hoax and then, naturally, recanting the mea culpa, generally escalating the confusion. 


Eventually, Barker persuaded Bender to go public with the full story of his "shushing." The result was a 1962 book, Flying Saucers and the Three Men, ostensibly authored by Bender but heavily edited by Barker. Unfortunately, after the giddy buildup of Barker's prequel, Bender's tell-all came as a major letdown. Reading more like fan-boy sci-fi than the interplanetary expose it purported to be, Flying Saucers and the Three Men was brimming with all the pulpy cliches of the day, from teleportation to underground saucer bases to mid-atlantic alien dialogue like "Please be advised to discontinue delving into the mysteries of the universe." 


After contacting the saucer men telepathically from his bedroom (by mentally projecting a message of "utmost friendship" into the cosmos), Bender eventually meets three MIBs face-to-face. They are "dressed in black clothes… like clergymen" but wearing "hats similar to Homburg style." Per Bender, "The eyes of all three figures suddenly lit up like flashlight bulbs…. They seemed to burn into my very soul." To make a long story short, the MIBs announce that they are visitors from the planet "Kazik" on a secret mission to steal earth seawater. With what can only be the deadpan irony of an advanced extraterrestrial race, they explain that they will confide in Bender because "one day you will write about this, and we are certain nobody will believe you, but you will be much wiser than anyone else on your planet." 


It is, of course, possible that a kernel of truth lies at the heart of Bender's tale: As head of the impressive sounding International Flying Saucer Bureau, Bender may indeed have been paid a visit by government types curious about then ubiquitous reports of flying saucers; and from there the impressionable Bender may have let his imagination run wild. Barker would eventually suggest as much. 


But the real trouble with the MIB legend is that Barker himself is so acutely tangled in its origins. Barker died in 1985, but in recent years his friends have confirmed that he was an inveterate hoaxer. 


Indeed, he may turn out to be one of the great pranksters of the twentieth century. According to his friend and fellow MIB chronicler John Keel (more on Keel in a moment), Barker "left behind a rich heritage of practical jokes and UFO hoaxes which… are now an integral part of flying saucer literature. He paved the way for the myriad of hoaxes of the 1980s." 


In the afterward of his book The Mothman Prophesies, Keel claims that it was Barker who invented the tale of Hanger 18, the supposedly top-secret air-force repository of crashed alien saucers and ET corpses at Wright-Patterson Field in Ohio. And Keel maintains that Barker also fabricated the "Edwards Air Force Base fairy tale (in which he names several of his personal friends as witnesses, along with President Eisenhower).


(according to Keel) " This served as the framework for the MJ-12 and Roswell, New Mexico, 'crashed saucer' hoaxes that absorbed the attention of many UFO buffs throughout the 1980s." (And well into the 1990s,) whether or not you accept the MJ-12 and Roswell as true or false is entirely up to you...


Another man named, Lonzo Dove, told conspiracy chronicler Jim Keith that Bender's three mysterious men were none other than Barker and two pals in disguise. According to Dove, it was all a just a "cruel joke" at Bender's expense. 


Another friend of Barker's, UFO researcher Jim Moseley, told Keith that Barker "did take Bender seriously, at the beginning. Then, when he realized the Bender was either not sane or not truthful… when he lost faith in Bender, which was within the first couple of years, in '55 or '56, after that [Barker] was just enjoying himself and making money." 


Which brings me to the next major wave in MIB encounters. Over the course of a year in 1966 and 1967, the town of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, was plagued by a series of extremely bizarre and often frighting paranormal events centering around sightings of a large humanoid, winged creature that would later be known as "the Mothman." Interestingly, West Virginian Gray Barker would surface more than once on the periphery of events in Point Pleasant that year, which gives us ample reason to suspect the hand of a merry hoaxer at work. But the sheer scope of the weirdness suggests the involvement of other agencies as well, paranormal or otherwise. 


John Keel chronicles that hysteria in his book The Mothman Prophecies. Hapless citizens who came face to face with the red-eyed birdman or who witnessed odd  glowing aerial lights that haunted Point Pleasant that year were often paid visits by the MIB. 


In November 1966, not far from where the Mothman would soon make its first appearances, appliance salesman Woodrow Derenberger encountered a UFO "shaped like an old-fashioned kerosene lamp chimney, flaring at both ends." The unlikely craft landed on the highway in front of Derenberger, forcing him to hit the brakes. A five-foot-ten-inch-tall man with dark skin exited the strange vehicle and approached Derenberger's car. Grinning, the visitor addressed Derenberger without moving his lips, ostensibly through telepathy. His name was "Indrid Cold," and he said he hailed from "a country much less powerful" than the United States. 


After a brief exchange, Cold returned to his craft, which took off into the night sky. Soon Derenberger began receiving threatening phone calls, warning him to keep quiet about the encounter, plus calls featuring spooky electronic whoops and lulus (another staple of MIB harassment). According to Derenberger, the spaceman continued to contact him telepathically and in person. Cold came from the planet Lanulos "in the galaxy of Ganymede." Derenberger became a bit of a local celebrity, and his story fleshed itself out as time went on: The appliance salesman was eventually whisked to Brazil and then to planet Lanulos. 


At about the same time, Derenberger was having his first confabs with Indrid Cold and others in the Point Pleasant region were running into mysterious, foreign men in suits. There were MIBs and black sedans around every corner.

After witnessing a UFO fly over her backyard, Mary Hyre, a newspaper reporter in Point Pleasant, had a succession of oddball visitors in thick-soled shoes. A large black car often followed her, peeling away when she noticed it and once screeching to a halt and disgorging a man with a flash camera. At one point, two short men wearing black overcoats called on Hyre at the newspaper office. According to Hyre, they looked almost like twins, with dark complexions and "Oriental" features. One of them blurted out, "What would you do if someone did order you to stop writing about flying saucers?" Later that same day, another small, Asian-looking man in black visited her office. He had abnormally long fingers and an unfamiliar accent. He introduced himself as "Jack Brown," a UFO researcher, and then stuttered, "What - would - what would you do - if someone ordered - ordered you to stop? To stop printing UFO stories." He denied knowing the other two men but claimed to be a friend of Gray Barker's.

Apparently, it was the same Jack Brown who visited several other Point Pleasant residents that day, including a woman who had seen the Mothman. Again, he mentioned Gray Barker and added that he also was a friend of Mary Hyre and John Keel. He fumbled with a large reel-to-reel tape recorder that he apparently did not know how to operate.

After observing a spherical UFO with four landing gears and a bottom-mounted propeller, Tad Jones reported the incident to the police. The next morning, someone had slipped a note, hand-printed in block letters, under his door. It read: "We know what you have seen, and we know that you have talked. You'd better keep your mouth shut." Several days later, a second note arrived via the same means. It was printed on a piece of cardboard that had been singed around the edges, and read: "…there want [sic] be another warning."

A week later, Jones saw a man standing at the site of the earlier UFO encounter. "He was very tanned," Jones said, "or his face was very flushed. He looked normal and was wearing a blue coat and a blue cap with a visor… something like a uniform, I guess. I noted he was holding a box in his hand. Some kind of instrument. It had a large dial on it, like a clock, and a wire ran from it to his other hand."

Other UFO and Mothman witnesses received the peculiar phone calls with either electronic noises on the other end or voices described as "metallic" or "machine like," often speaking in a foreign language.

The MIB began harassing eighteen-year-old Connie Carpenter soon after she crossed paths with the Mothman when she was driving home from church. "Jack Brown" showed up at her house, doing his usual shtick, including the Bray Barker and Mary Hyre references. While Connie was walking to school, a black 1949 Buick sidled up alongside her. The driver, a young, well-dressed man in his twenties reached out and grabbed her, trying to pull her into the car. Connie escaped, but the next morning someone slipped a penciled not under her door: "Be careful girl," it read. "I can get you yet."

isastrous coda to the Point Pleasant haunting was soon to come. In Mothman Prophesiesel writes that a Long Island woman named "Jane" received from the MIBs a forewarning of that disaster. After a close encounter with a piercing beam of light during a drive through the woods, Jane received a phone call from a machine like voice that instructed her to locate a specific book at the local library. As Keel tells it, Jane found the book and read page 42, as instructed. As she looked at the page, "the print became smaller and smaller, then larger and larger." Then it "changed into a message" informing her she would be given a series of predictions. 


The forecasts were delivered in the person of a grinning "Hawaiian" with Asian eyes who wore a gray suit and rode in the passenger section of a shiny new black Cadillac. He called himself Apol. Keel, whom Jane had contacted, was kept informed about each new prediction. Per Keel, many of Apol's predictions of plane crashed took place on schedule. But Apol's augury that "the Pope would be knifed to death in a bloody manner" and that "the Antichrist will rise up out of Israel" were among the misses. When Keel hypnotized Jane, she allegedly remembered several more boffo predictions that Apol had made, including Robert F. Kennedy's assassination and a December 15 disaster in Point Pleasant. On that day, the town's seven-hundred-foot Silver Bridge collapsed, killing forty-six people. 


Whatever was really going on in Point Pleasant, it sure made for a damn good read. (A major Hollywood studio currently has plans to adapt the story into a feature film.) That Gray Barker was on the scene, ostensibly chronicling the events but perhaps tweaking them along, is the kind of thing that sets our paranoid antennae twitching .  attention peeked


In an interview with Jum Keith, Keel admitted that Barker was behind some of the Point Pleasant incidents,  "He did a lot of the phone nonsense, and I tracked him down on it." Keith points out: "Was it simply an accident that the Mothman encounters, the most incredible of paranoid flaps, took place in Gray Barker's home state of West Virginia?" 


It's possible that Barker may have had a hand in some form or another in the paranormal activity But the sheer scope of the supernatural events and sightings suggests that there were other agendas at play.  In his thoroughgoing volume Casebook on the Men in Black, author Jim Keith hypothesizes that Point Pleasant may have been a testing ground for a government experiment in mass hysteria. After all, the CIA illegally conducted mind-control tests on unsuspecting U.S. citizens as part of its notorious MK-ULTRA project, and thanks to the Agency's subsequent disposal of most MK-ULTRA records, we'll never know the full scope of those events. Perhaps the government did use Point Pleasant residents as guinea pigs in a psychological-warfare experiment.  who knows??  But it's definitely possible!


Though it's just as impossible to dismiss all of the Mothman sightings as practical jokes, or psywar operations, so, too, is it impossible to dismiss all MIB accounts as hoaxes. The UFO literature is rich with inexplicable encounters with MIBs. In fact, UFOlogists have found similar accounts of preternatural, prankish, and often menacing beings in black throughout folklore. Jacques Vallee and others have painstakingly cataloged the cosmology that behave uncannily like modern UFO pilots. Whether those MIB motifs are merely images stored in human-kind's collective unconscious or evidence of something more literal is open to debate. 


On extreme vanguard of literal patrol, conspiracy author William Bramley posits in his book The Gods of Eden that extraterrestrial MIBs were behind the plague. He cites a summary written in 1682: "In Brandenburg there appeared in 1559 horrible men, of whom at first fifteen and later on twelve were seen. The foremost had beside their posteriors little heads, the others fearful faces and long scythes, with which they cut at the oats, so that the swish could be heard at a great distance…." Immediately after the MIBish visit to the oat fields, the plague broke out in Brandenburg, leading Bramley to wonder: "What were the long scythe-like instruments they held that emitted a loud swishing sound? It appears that the 'scythes' may have been long instruments designed to spray poison or germ-laden gas." 




Weather or not you actually believe in UFO's or MIB's , the fact that the universe is constantly expanding and there are literally hundreds of trillions of stars and planets, it's just absurd to believe that we are the only intelligent life in this vast universe!!!!!!!!!!


and lets not forget the governments official policy of Deny Everything!!!!!






I want to Believe,......X-Files reference lol

They want to to forget what you've  seen... Or to be exact what the Government doesn't want you to see!!! 


and if you don't you may just drop off the map, never to be heard from again.....